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Offline XIII

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on: 27 Jun 2007, 10:43:43 pm
All those people who are bagging Rotherham need to stop being prats.

(1) We have a small squad of about 23 players who can realistically play top end NL1  At any one time he can select 17 players that means including injuries about six blokes who can hold their own in this league don't get picked.  That is the reality of a team and happensat every club in the uk Aus and NZ.  it may mean sice seeds lester Wright teare Rudd Mattinson Jacjson ect don't play but hey They get well paid for a part time commitment and  the coach gets paid to make those decisons.


We (major contributors on this board) are almost without exception demanding a couple of quality signings to give the team a chance of topplingCas and Widnes in the crunch games. That means two more players competing fot 17 places and may mean Sice Rudd Teare Mattinson or Seeds Lester or Miller or Smith or someone else missing out and not playing in a big games.  BUT we cant have it both ways if you want to improve the team some will miss out its up to the palyers who really want to be apart of the big games to perform....and Rotherham picks the team.

Rotherham is different to cullen as Mcormack was different to to them both. he has some better points and some not so good....but he has not achieved anything less than his predsessors.  Mcormack was and is a good coach but he had a different set of players competing against a different set of oppositon. Cullen had a weaker team to improve in a diffeent erea.

Rotherham has some good players to work with but also some stiff competion and so far he is keeping us very much in the mix.
No coach has had Cas and Widnes going full out for promotio to compete with.  When SM was in charge Cas were head and shoulders above us in the G/F .....they wouldn't get clsoe to the current Cas team....who cant buy a win of Widness ..Times do Change....

.We are not great but we are doing all right.  as is Rotherham and the team.


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Reply #1 on: 27 Jun 2007, 10:53:11 pm
i am a big DR supporter and like to stick up for the players and not give them stick however although i can not disagree with your post at the moment i can help explain why people are posting the things that you find 'unbelievable'. the reason is we want more from our club. we are all aware of the current situation but we want some ambition to be shown and we want to be the best in this league and pushing for super league. the way this want for the club to achieve more is often shown on this site by critisism of current players/coach/board but the reason behind it is a want to do better and to move on to the next level im sure. it may not be the best way of showing it but following a team like haven who have been bridesmaids so many times can be frustrating. we just want the to be the bride now


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Reply #2 on: 27 Jun 2007, 10:54:00 pm
Some  good  points.  Whilst  we  all  whinge  and  moan  lets  not  forget  were  up  against  fulltime  opposition  in  Cas  and  Widnes.

Both  sides  play  in  the  heartland  of  RL  were  getting  castoffs  from  SL  clubs  is  no  problem.  

For  us  to  compete  we  have  to  rely  mainly  on  local talent  as  well  as  players  who  are  prepared  to  make  the  log  journey  up  the  M6  a  couple  of  times  a  week.  These  are  blokes  who  work  and  then  after  their  shift  make  the  trip  here  to  train  and  then  have  to  make  the  long  journey  home.

Rotherham  is  doing  a  decent  job.  Lets  judge  him  at  the  end  of  the  season.


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Reply #3 on: 27 Jun 2007, 11:05:11 pm
All those people who are bagging Rotherham need to stop being prats.

(1) We have a small squad of about 23 players who can realistically play top end NL1  At any one time he can select 17 players that means including injuries about six blokes who can hold their own in this league don't get picked.  That is the reality of a team and happensat every club in the uk Aus and NZ.  it may mean sice seeds lester Wright teare Rudd Mattinson Jacjson ect don't play but hey They get well paid for a part time commitment and  the coach gets paid to make those decisons.


We (major contributors on this board) are almost without exception demanding a couple of quality signings to give the team a chance of topplingCas and Widnes in the crunch games. That means two more players competing fot 17 places and may mean Sice Rudd Teare Mattinson or Seeds Lester or Miller or Smith or someone else missing out and not playing in a big games.  BUT we cant have it both ways if you want to improve the team some will miss out its up to the palyers who really want to be apart of the big games to perform....and Rotherham picks the team.

Rotherham is different to cullen as Mcormack was different to to them both. he has some better points and some not so good....but he has not achieved anything less than his predsessors.  Mcormack was and is a good coach but he had a different set of players competing against a different set of oppositon. Cullen had a weaker team to improve in a diffeent erea.

Rotherham has some good players to work with but also some stiff competion and so far he is keeping us very much in the mix.
No coach has had Cas and Widnes going full out for promotio to compete with.  When SM was in charge Cas were head and shoulders above us in the G/F .....they wouldn't get clsoe to the current Cas team....who cant buy a win of Widness ..Times do Change....

.We are not great but we are doing all right.  as is Rotherham and the team.

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Reply #4 on: 27 Jun 2007, 11:08:50 pm
I suppose i am trying to make a couple of points but the main one is that yo cn only select 17 plyers.  We all know thattwo compete with Cas and Widnes in the big games we need  another big prop and probably another creative player....but the reality of that is that two will miss out.. Competion for places is the only true form of achiveing excellence....will (if the rumours are to be believed...which i doubt but neverthless..) Seedss and Lester not play out of their skins when they get their next chance if they know they could be dropped.

Sice was playing crap and did not desreve to be in the team for a number of weeks .  Against leigh he came back to some good form and deserves a place in the seventeen.

This week at Cas the  only way we have a chance is to have 17 blokes killing themselves for 80 minutes becasue they know if they don't they will be dropped and someone else will be playing at Blakpool in two weeks  time.  


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Reply #5 on: 27 Jun 2007, 11:32:43 pm
I think the problem most people have with dave rotheram is he comes out with silly sayings after games like a [bump in the road ] and has always got plenty of excuses when the team isnt playing well like away at doncaster he said the team has got a lot of injuries but failed to mention doncaster had lost nearly a full squad and gone bankrupt  and i think his team selection is very bizare at times.I have also herd he is very poor at talking to the players and gives the traveling players special treatment  and having talked to a few people that talk to him regularly they say he is very arrogant and want be wrong .But lets hope he does the buisnes in blackpool


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Reply #6 on: 28 Jun 2007, 06:47:37 am

 When Has Rudd and Smith been dropped?

 Get your facts right don't use players to put your view across that have not been dropped this season.

 Dave Rotherham does not drop the travellers. Only the local players like Seeds last week.

 Seeds is a better player than Jackson.


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Reply #7 on: 28 Jun 2007, 08:07:29 am
All those people who are bagging Rotherham need to stop being prats.

(1) We have a small squad of about 23 players who can realistically play top end NL1  At any one time he can select 17 players that means including injuries about six blokes who can hold their own in this league don't get picked.  That is the reality of a team and happensat every club in the uk Aus and NZ.  it may mean sice seeds lester Wright teare Rudd Mattinson Jacjson ect don't play but hey They get well paid for a part time commitment and  the coach gets paid to make those decisons.


We (major contributors on this board) are almost without exception demanding a couple of quality signings to give the team a chance of topplingCas and Widnes in the crunch games. That means two more players competing fot 17 places and may mean Sice Rudd Teare Mattinson or Seeds Lester or Miller or Smith or someone else missing out and not playing in a big games.  BUT we cant have it both ways if you want to improve the team some will miss out its up to the palyers who really want to be apart of the big games to perform....and Rotherham picks the team.

Rotherham is different to cullen as Mcormack was different to to them both. he has some better points and some not so good....but he has not achieved anything less than his predsessors.  Mcormack was and is a good coach but he had a different set of players competing against a different set of oppositon. Cullen had a weaker team to improve in a diffeent erea.

Rotherham has some good players to work with but also some stiff competion and so far he is keeping us very much in the mix.
No coach has had Cas and Widnes going full out for promotio to compete with.  When SM was in charge Cas were head and shoulders above us in the G/F .....they wouldn't get clsoe to the current Cas team....who cant buy a win of Widness ..Times do Change....

.We are not great but we are doing all right.  as is Rotherham and the team.

good post mostly,however, you would have been better served not calling people prats. EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion and just because you dont agree with it does not make them prats.

to disect your first point about the size of our squad, rotherham stated at the start of the season that our squad was big enough and didnt need added to, he himself eluded to the fact that we have a squad of over 35 players who are capable of doing a job< what exactly that job is with some of them is subject to questioning>

As a team some of our players have hit the comfort zone where they know they wont be dropped no matter how badly they are or were playing.

you say that cas were head and shoulders above us in the GF and that they wouldnt get close to the current team, well i disagree, the cas of 2005 was a far better team than the cas of 2007 is.

A lot of rotherhams selections can be questioned, why play sice at full back? why put spencer in the centres? why jackson over seeds?
his gameplan<does he actually have one?> is virtually non exsistant

he has turned an attractive attacking team into a shambles on most occassions,
we have yet to show any signs of exciting rugby this season or any signs that we could possibly compete with cas and widnes, apart from the catalans game and the 2nd half against halifax we have just been going through the motions and when we came across a half decent team we got beat!
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Reply #8 on: 28 Jun 2007, 08:08:53 am

Rotherham  is  doing  a  decent  job.  Lets  judge  him  at  the  end  of  the  season.

people said the same thing about him last season......................

HE FAILED to do what he was brought in to do!
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Reply #9 on: 28 Jun 2007, 08:13:18 am

 When Has Rudd and Smith been dropped?

 Get your facts right don't use players to put your view across that have not been dropped this season.

 Dave Rotherham does not drop the travellers. Only the local players like Seeds last week.

 Seeds is a better player than Jackson.

I  think  Seeds  was  dropped  because  he  hadn't  trained.  As  for  Jackson  the  lad  didn,t  look  match  fit  although  he  did  OK  in  the  2nd  half.


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Reply #10 on: 28 Jun 2007, 08:16:09 am

Rotherham  is  doing  a  decent  job.  Lets  judge  him  at  the  end  of  the  season.

people said the same thing about him last season......................

HE FAILED to do what he was brought in to do!

There  a  thin  divide  between  success  and  failure.  If  Kirkpatric  hadn't  over-ruled  his  touch  judge  or  if  Leafe  had  passed  instead  of  kickng  we  could  have  made  it..  Still  thats  life........ :(


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Reply #11 on: 28 Jun 2007, 10:58:38 am
rotheram hasn't done a lot wrong in the time he has been here

we were within 4 points of a grand final spot last season
this season we are in our first ever nrc final
he has attracted the likes of fletcher,Duffy,smith
and loanees Bannister and dale
hes been very unlucky with injuries last season and this
often not being able to put the same team out two weeks in a row
he inherited half a grand final appearing team but he still had to fill in
 the gaps left by sm and contend with other clubs becoming full time

so i think we should give the guy a break and let him get on with his job


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Reply #12 on: 28 Jun 2007, 07:54:59 pm

Rotherham  is  doing  a  decent  job.  Lets  judge  him  at  the  end  of  the  season.

people said the same thing about him last season......................

HE FAILED to do what he was brought in to do!

As I remember correctly Steve McCormack, was also a failure.  He had players such as Seeds, Lester Fats when they were younger.
Obst and Penny to give the spark at scrum half, plus Nanyn to get over the try line when the rest of the team had no ideas.
He also played Spencer, and Howard in the centres during similar injury crises.
He might be a good lad whos got a friendly word for people in the street, but he still failed when playing against a poor Leigh team, and a Cas team that only just got to the Final.


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Reply #13 on: 29 Jun 2007, 05:17:43 am
but If he dont get his now Widness in the SL he,s failed there too



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Reply #14 on: 29 Jun 2007, 12:50:03 pm

Rotherham  is  doing  a  decent  job.  Lets  judge  him  at  the  end  of  the  season.

people said the same thing about him last season......................

HE FAILED to do what he was brought in to do!

So failed to do? you idiot so you think you can buy a coach that will win in part time league every game and the grand final!
Let me guess, you have never played{i know you have never played the game by you posting} the game?? and if you have what was the under 10's like?
The only baggers of DR i have ever seen come from non playing people.
Seriously, get real you monkey's or get on board your team!
The money the player's and coach get etc is small compared to fulltime. Are you going to hold your hand up in 20 years Marra and offer to pay for the lads that can not move because of the bashing there bodies have had! Did not think so! Opinions are great if there valid! if there not here is a thought, keep them to yourself or yell them under water when you have a bath.