Dave Rotherham

[puppetmaster]

Monte,

The topic is called "Dave Rotherham", not "We love you dave sorry to see you go, heres some nice messages for you"

therefore, any posting about him is acceptable on this topic, providing it not abusive, which i not yet seen,

if you care to look back over the months you will find that i, along with jameater, and others have been slating the man for quite sometime now, not just since he's gone, which if you ask me is 2 years too late.

as for venting our anger at certain members of the BOD, does that include your dad, or is he on Des's side of the war?

dont get me wrong monte, i wish the guy well at town< not too well of course!> but people need a reality check if they think not renewing his contract was wrong, he has done nothing to warrant a new one, thats a FACT, not just an opinion

[Monte2carlo]

Monte,

The topic is called "Dave Rotherham", not "We love you dave sorry to see you go, heres some nice messages for you"

therefore, any posting about him is acceptable on this topic, providing it not abusive, which i not yet seen,

if you care to look back over the months you will find that i, along with jameater, and others have been slating the man for quite sometime now, not just since he's gone, which if you ask me is 2 years too late.

as for venting our anger at certain members of the BOD, does that include your dad, or is he on Des's side of the war?



To be fair if my Dad is in the wrong then yes. He is on nobodies side in this BOD battle he only cares about the club and not the Ego's of certain BOD members

IMO he is as good as a coach as SMc considering he had to start at Haven with the heart of the team gone and half the budget. So give the man a break build a bridge and get over him.

Monte

PS When will the scouse bubble burst this year




dont get me wrong monte, i wish the guy well at town< not too well of course!> but people need a reality check if they think not renewing his contract was wrong, he has done nothing to warrant a new one, thats a FACT, not just an opinion

[HavenWarrior]

It doesn't seem that long ago since the Town supporters were populating this site with derisory comments about  Rotheram, and his (lack of) tactics after our (deserved) hammering in the final! Fast forward a few months and he is now going to turn things round at DP! He has acted with indecent haste moving to Town and I wonder if their board haven't thought this through. So much for all the established coaches queuing up for the Town job, and they chose a guy who has set back Haven 2 years, undoing all the good work previously done by his predecessors. We lost 8 league games and didn't pick up a single point against our two nearest rivals, and threw away other chances that should have secured us easy 3rd spot.
If there is an exodus from Havento join him, then so be it! I can't imagine who will follow him to Town but anyone who's ambition it is to drop down a division, then do we really want them anyway! I thought we were a club with ambition and SL aspirations, so lets prove it and appoint somebody who will move us forward.

at long last!!!!

Big Mac,

i was begining to think there was only me and jameater who could see DITHERHAM for what he really was at haven, ie a failure,
everyone is entitled to his/her opinion and fair play to those who think he has been treated harshly, thats their opinion, but as i have proved already on this website with cold hard FACTS, DITHERHAM has taken us backwards, not only in the style of play, but with the FACT that he has not reached the GF on 2 occasions, indeed this season he hasnt even managed to get us to the final eliminator match!
as you say parton marra, anyone who wants to leave haven and join him in NL2 obviously has no ambition in RL, and we are well shot of them,

those of you feeling sorry for him remember, he was told on a monday night he wasnt getting his contract renewed, this was after town had announced they had 3 candidates left for the position of coach, so my maths works out either DITHERHAM has applied for the job real late< i dont think so> or he had already applied for it before being told of his future at haven,

so, that being the most likely case, what difference is there in him going behind our backs, and alledged directors going behind his back to try and get james lowes?

i'll tell you NONE!!

Yet again a post about wishing Dave all the best about his new job has been hijacked by people slating the man after he has left the club.

 I suggest now you vent your anger against certain member's of the BOD, who are signing players without a coach been in place first. now thats stupidity

Monte

Well saying you are closer to a BOD member that most people on here, maybe you could do that on our behalf.

TW

[IpswichSteve]

It doesn't seem that long ago since the Town supporters were populating this site with derisory comments about  Rotheram, and his (lack of) tactics after our (deserved) hammering in the final!

Me thinks you are twisting history for your own agenda parton?

I remember coming on here have a bit of a laugh but certainly not
running Rotheram down, and i cant remember seeing any other
town fan doing the same. 

Wasn't a lot of the grand final issues due to players spitting their
dummys out because they didn't get the stay over and extra cash
they wanted.  While generally DR seems to have been let down
by senior players and some on the BOD.

Still don't let the facts get in the way of your slating of a very
professional coach who has conducted himself excellently
over the last week.  I think its a great appointment for Town,and
we are fortunate to get him.  Watch out he will come back and
haunt you yet.  Think the tide may have slightly changed after
twelve years. 

DAVE ROTHERAM'S BLUE & WHITE ARMY

[Maca]

Lets have a 5 year plan lol

[Monte2carlo]

It doesn't seem that long ago since the Town supporters were populating this site with derisory comments about  Rotheram, and his (lack of) tactics after our (deserved) hammering in the final!

Me thinks you are twisting history for your own agenda parton?

I remember coming on here have a bit of a laugh but certainly not
running Rotheram down, and i cant remember seeing any other
town fan doing the same. 

Wasn't a lot of the grand final issues due to players spitting their
dummys out because they didn't get the stay over and extra cash
they wanted.  While generally DR seems to have been let down
by senior players and some on the BOD.

Still don't let the facts get in the way of your slating of a very
professional coach who has conducted himself excellently
over the last week.  I think its a great appointment for Town,and
we are fortunate to get him.  Watch out he will come back and
haunt you yet.  Think the tide may have slightly changed after
twelve years. 

DAVE ROTHERAM'S BLUE & WHITE ARMY

Steve you got your new shirt yet with DR's blue and white army printed on yet, he will do a good job for Town and he will upset a few fans and players along the way but there is one thing for sure DR isn't a **** head
Monte

[hensingham boy]

There doesn't seem to many here who realise how royally unsupported and undermined DR was.

He did a good job in trying - nay, impossible - circumstances; and his treatment is indicative that Haven may had had its last hurrah!

That he has kept his own counsel on the affair is testament to his professionalism and, all things being equal, he will do a cracking job for Town.

Let the exodus begin!

nowt like bigging yourself up.
good riddance.

[Keith]

I don't recall any Town fans slagging off Rotheram on here after losing the cup final, probably a search back through the messages of that time would confirm or disprove that point.     Whether some people think he has taken your club backwards is a matter of opinions, your opinions.     There are others who think the opposite, so why should their opinions be any less valid than yours!!!

I do remember certain Town fans 2 or even 3 years ago saying on here that you had an ageing team, getting older every year and that you would need to bring in fresh blood in the not too distant future.    I also remember replies, some giving ages of your players and saying that they were not over the hil, etc, etc.    When DR took over he inherited that ageing team whilst 2 of your opponents were going full-time and bringing in younger players with SL experience.   I also remember some of your fans saying that the players didn't want SL as they were all in good jobs at Sellafield, etc, and therefore in a comfort zone playing in the NL1.  Perhaps there were many factors, or factions, working against DR that none of us know about.

As for DR getting the Town job, I am surprised by your post Big Mac.    If you listened to DR's interview yesterday (I think it's on ther Radio Cumbria site) you will hear the man himself say that he suddenly found himself out of work after being told that his contract would not be renewed so he contacted Town.   So, according to him it was after he had been told NOT before as you were hinting or suggesting.    Incidentally Town were still talking to people after they said they had narrowed it down to 3.  

[puppetmaster]

in all honesty keith, it matters very little to me when he applied for the job, i'm just pleased he is no longer at haven, i do believe he can do a good job at town,
perhaps he could use his connections to bring in some players for town........... just like he didnt at haven!!

 he fetched only bannister from saints when surely he must have known of more players who were in the U21s who could have come up here and done a good job?

as for him taking the club backwards, thats not really an opinion it is a fact as i said before i have proved it over the last 4 seasons we have not improved on our league positions or end of season playoff position

2004 we finished 2nd on pts diff and reached the GF
2005 we finished top and reached the GF
2006 we finished 4th and didnt reach the GF
2007 we again finished 4th and didnt even reach the final eliminator!

if some people want to see that as a successful reign by rotherham then thats up to them, there is only so many times i can show them the facts.

[toddy]

in all honesty keith, it matters very little to me when he applied for the job, i'm just pleased he is no longer at haven, i do believe he can do a good job at town,
perhaps he could use his connections to bring in some players for town........... just like he didnt at haven!!

 he fetched only bannister from saints when surely he must have known of more players who were in the U21s who could have come up here and done a good job?

as for him taking the club backwards, thats not really an opinion it is a fact as i said before i have proved it over the last 4 seasons we have not improved on our league positions or end of season playoff position

2004 we finished 2nd on pts diff and reached the GF
2005 we finished top and reached the GF
2006 we finished 4th and didnt reach the GF
2007 we again finished 4th and didnt even reach the final eliminator!

if some people want to see that as a successful reign by rotherham then thats up to them, there is only so many times i can show them the facts.

The only way you can get a factual assessment is by adding to the following to go with your list. Like everything in sport, he with the most money wins 90% of the time.

So to get the proper picture you need to add the player and coach gross wage figures for each year otherwise the above years list  you put up is only good for judging  Amateur teams. I am sure you would not expect a Formula 1 team that had there 250 million budget cut in half to get the same results?

So add gross wages for coach and team to these!

2003 {why 2003, as it was this money that started the ball rolling for your year table}.
2004
2005
2006
2007

Then to get a factual performance figure you need to look at what the top 5 teams of a given year payed in gross wages for the same year and how they performed.What injuries they had to key players{players that are on the team list every week} and how many games they missed out of the total games for each year.

It is not much use applying a bit of the total facts as it really does not show what has or has not been achieved .If all the values remained constant for all teams for the 5 year period{which is never the case} then you could just go oof end of year results
It is all pretty simple stuff really but crucial for getting a proper performance figure.

[IpswichSteve]

he will upset a few fans and players along the way but there is one thing for sure DR isn't a **** head
Monte

Monte, thats great news quite a number of fans and players need upsetting.  We don't need a supposed friend of all type drinking coach, it don't get you far. 

Not interested in socialising with the coach or the players for that matter like a fair number
at Town, quite happy just watch them play on a Sunday, and for them to get results.

It is long time our clubs were run like professional Business's, rather than private members
clubs who's members are in it for the nights out, and the "look at me" kudos which it gives them.

[chocbluegold]

you,ve signed dave rotheram and all of a sudden your a good team,this guy is no better or worse than ged was, it all boils down to the players and whether they play for thier coach or in towns case whether they can play at all.stats show dave wasnt doing a good job at haven so we got rid,wot makes you think he will do a good job at town with your players!!!

[Keith]

Well choccy, my friend, DR is the first to say that his 2 years at Haven were his first as a senior coach and not an assistant to an experienced coach.    He would also tell you that, yes, like everyone else who takes up a new job, he made mistakes and that he might, on reflection, have done some things differently.

That is called a "learning process" and as long as he has learned from any mistakes he, might have,  made at Haven then I'm quite happy with that just as all the Haven fans were when he signed for Haven as a very raw first time senior coach.    So, hopefully,  we will get the benefit of his 2 years probationary period at Haven.

Town need a strong coach that will be the boss, not another drinking companion, and if he upsets some people along the way then so be it.    Believe it or not choccy, we do have some young talented players at Town who, with the right man guiding them, could go very far in the game.   All that's needed now is time to see if DR is that right man or not.    Many of us think he could be but just as with any club making similar appointments, no-one knows for certain how it will all work out.

[shavenhaven]

I don't recall any Town fans slagging off Rotheram on here after losing the cup final, probably a search back through the messages of that time would confirm or disprove that point.     Whether some people think he has taken your club backwards is a matter of opinions, your opinions.     There are others who think the opposite, so why should their opinions be any less valid than yours!!!

I do remember certain Town fans 2 or even 3 years ago saying on here that you had an ageing team, getting older every year and that you would need to bring in fresh blood in the not too distant future.    I also remember replies, some giving ages of your players and saying that they were not over the hil, etc, etc.    When DR took over he inherited that ageing team whilst 2 of your opponents were going full-time and bringing in younger players with SL experience.   I also remember some of your fans saying that the players didn't want SL as they were all in good jobs at Sellafield, etc, and therefore in a comfort zone playing in the NL1.  Perhaps there were many factors, or factions, working against DR that none of us know about.

As for DR getting the Town job, I am surprised by your post Big Mac.    If you listened to DR's interview yesterday (I think it's on ther Radio Cumbria site) you will hear the man himself say that he suddenly found himself out of work after being told that his contract would not be renewed so he contacted Town.   So, according to him it was after he had been told NOT before as you were hinting or suggesting.    Incidentally Town were still talking to people after they said they had narrowed it down to 3.  

Yes keith you said we had an ageing team but it is still better than your team of **** heads.
We told you all about walshy, did you listen ???NO you said he would be awesome
DR will upset your players and won't play your under 21s and will insist on bringing travellers in over talented players.
So if you have a big enough squadfor him to upset you might just have a team to play next season.
Also by the time Mr Stokes gets his compensation DR will not have any money for players.

Just like when you took Sorenson its great, DR was poor so its only right he has gone to a poor team.

[Keith]

Yes keith you said we had an ageing team but it is still better than your team of **** heads.
We told you all about walshy, did you listen ???NO you said he would be awesome
DR will upset your players and won't play your under 21s and will insist on bringing travellers in over talented players.
So if you have a big enough squadfor him to upset you might just have a team to play next season.
Also by the time Mr Stokes gets his compensation DR will not have any money for players.

Just like when you took Sorenson its great, DR was poor so its only right he has gone to a poor team.

As I said above.   Time alone will tell, just as it did with Walshy after he had played 3 or 4 awesome games. 

Haven's position in the league table shows that your team is better than our team of "**** heads" as you call them and it really shouldn't concern you now that DR has moved to Town.   Let us do the worrying whether he will do a job for us.   If he doesn't then you can come back and tell us, "told you".   That's what this game is about isn't it??   Scoring points???