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Offline TheCollier

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Reply #30 on: 04 Dec 2011, 09:49:56 am
The only thing I can suggest is writing to the league express to highlight the inconsistencies in the RFL's system. It should also be highlighted that 1: due to our geographical location we are at a massive disadvantage to the clubs around the M62 and that any decent young talent is being creamed off by SL.

Cumbria really should be designated a development area ala Gateshead and Wales.

The lad has been in the PNG squad 4 times - surely that's indication that he's got something to offer.


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Reply #31 on: 04 Dec 2011, 10:52:05 am
There's usually some right rough looking women down at the rec'...........surely we can get one of them to marry him and he can then come over? Easy.

That could work!!!  :D :D :D


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Reply #32 on: 04 Dec 2011, 11:27:47 am
Dear KIA, didn't realise all that had been done,one can only follow it loosely in the papers or on here so one is not up to speed with all the effort the BOD has put in, it's a big shame for them and sadly they get lttle credit for all that work. A poster above  makes a very good point about the geographical location and the asset stripping of our junior talent thes are the ways in which RL hq don't help us.


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Reply #33 on: 04 Dec 2011, 11:49:24 am
Just watched him on YouTube and for the rfl not to offer this lad the chance to grace our great game is a joke there is only rangi chase who comes close to him.

I'm sorry but that has to be up there with quote of the decade!  :D :D Rangi Chase is the only one close to him! All the NRL and Superleague teams must be looking in the wrong places for new players.  :D
He does look like he'd go very well in this league tho, pity its not to be. I'm sure Don will have others lined up though.


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Reply #34 on: 04 Dec 2011, 12:12:30 pm
The UKBA and the RFL didn't just draw up the guidelines to stop Whitehaven and Workington from importing players it does affect other clubs as well as much as we like to think differently.   We used to be able to bring in players on holiday visas but these were stopped because others, non-sporting, used the same rules to bring in illegal immigrants who came here and got "lost" in our system.

Because of all the mis-use, the system had to be overhauled and each sport gave the UKBA their considered guidelines which can only be sidestepped with special reasons.   Whilst we are only concerned about players we would like to see at our clubs to the authorities they are no different to say a similar standard player wanted by say Kendal RU or Carlisle Cricket Club and so on.

That west Cumbria should be classed as a developmental area is a different matter altogether and should have happened a long time ago.   Championship 1 clubs have a quota of 2 overseas players because of the arguments put forward by Town some years ago but it should have gone further than that for our area.
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Reply #35 on: 04 Dec 2011, 02:48:30 pm
Keith, the point you miss however is that the RFL usually have the final decision, not the strict line of the rules they have jointly drawn up with the UKBA.

If they decide, (that's the RFL note), that a similar quality player is not available locally, OR, (a further twist), the player is to move into a designated RFL development area, (thus allowing the RFL to even further bend their own rules), then any player the RFL see's fit, (within obvious reason), can be allowed in.

That's all wrong to my way of thinking, as it has the potential to favour one club, or a particular player, over others.

This is exactly one of the reasons why players, supporters and clubs become p****d off with the self serving idiots who run RL in this country.

If there are to be rules, then they should be clear and applicable to all, not open to adjustment, if and when it is convenient.



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Reply #36 on: 04 Dec 2011, 03:00:15 pm
Cbandg01, I appreciate your points but the point I was trying to make, maybe poorly, was that for us as they stand that is the rules as laid down.   If we were a development area then yes we could maybe persuade the RFL that we were a special case up here but until then we are treat no different to other areas of the same standing.

Town wanted us, West Cumbria, to be a special case (development area) several years ago and have extra quota players.   If Haven (Cullen wasn't it?) had supported that then we may not be in the position we find ourselves in now when trying to sign these players.
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Reply #37 on: 04 Dec 2011, 03:02:48 pm
fact is that if the rfl do not support your visa application then you have no chance
THE MULLET IS BACK


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Reply #38 on: 04 Dec 2011, 03:19:19 pm
Just one additional point, the West Cumbrian clubs are both around 100 miles to their nearest semiprofessional RL neighbours, have far fewer clubs playing armature RL in their immediate area than most, (perhaps even any), other Lancs or Yorks Champ or Champ 1 RL club, have greater travelling expenses than most, (if not all), other Champ or Champ1 clubs and have a greatly reduced capability for signing experienced players because of our isolation than say 90% of other clubs.

Yes, we have played RL in this area at a pro level for many years, but so what, that is not a major factor in our ability to survive as semi pro clubs, that's down to other more local factors, which I will not go into.

So again, because the RFL self serving idiots 'choose' to define 'development areas' as those areas where they, (the idiots that is), want to try out yet another experiment, and so help 'float' yet another new club, then we have to be classed as a 'heartland' area, with all of the disadvantages listed above. 

A little more lateral thinking on the part of the 'self serving idiots' could have eased the problems our West Cumbrian clubs have rather than actually adding to them, which the 'development area' status, (as presently defined), does in reality, (if you think it through, which the self serving idiots' obviously never did).

(Para 1 above ...ignoring Barrow of course !!)
« Last Edit: 04 Dec 2011, 06:08:20 pm by cbandg01 »


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Reply #39 on: 04 Dec 2011, 05:11:53 pm
Keith sometimes makes the odd point that might be regarded as sensible.
However, to suggest that West Cumbria is not a development area because of Haven and Paul Cullen in particular is as daft as he has ever got.Absolute rubbish Keith.


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Reply #40 on: 04 Dec 2011, 05:21:43 pm
Our isolation and poor road links mean that it is harder for us to attract players from other clubs..........it also makes it harder for the other semi pro teams to take our players though???


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Reply #41 on: 04 Dec 2011, 06:45:41 pm
RFL are against us that why they rejected Bonds visa.

Pity we arent situated further south.  We may have stood a chance  :(


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Reply #42 on: 04 Dec 2011, 07:02:21 pm
Thing is RFL measure Cumbria success by the fact that amature clubs produce a handful of youngsters for SL clubs each year...they dont realise if their was a strong pro league there would be twice as many youngsters joinging Kells Brow Mont, Barrow Island and Ellenbrgh. 

If Cumbria ever got the right investment and fair treatment we would treble the number of SL players in a decade.  RFL dosent give a stuff about us.


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Reply #43 on: 04 Dec 2011, 07:17:11 pm
Some hilarious comments on this thread!!

Boxer are you seriously suggesting that if Cumbria were treated more favourably than teams from Yorkshire and Lancashire there would be 3 times as many players in SL?? That's a bizarre and ridiculous statement to be making.

We aren't treated as a development area and we shouldn't be. Its clear we need no help in development when we are producing players that SL clubs want. If we were to go to the RFL and asks for some sort of special treatment for our tough logistial challenge then fair enough. But to claim we have a right to be classed as a development area is, imo, ludicrous
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Reply #44 on: 04 Dec 2011, 07:25:38 pm