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Offline Flannerz

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on: 09 Oct 2010, 02:49:04 pm
I was talking to my business partner who is very well connected with individuals at the RFL and he revealed some potentially worrying concepts that are been conjured up. What I am about to say is not fact at this stage, but it is been talked about.

In 2012, one of either Widnes, Halifax, Featherstone or Barrow (Batley have ruled themselves out) will be competing in Super League, fact. That means another 3 years of 'wilderness' for the remaining contenders...and everyone else.

The concept is in 2012 to have Super League at 14 teams, Championship with potentially 14 teams and then merge Championship 1 with the RL conference and split it into North and South divisions. The thinking behind it will no doubt be to instill a more professional set-up at Championship level with the ultimate goal being to have promotion and relegation between Super League and Championship. A licensing system would be introduced for clubs to enter the Championship from the North/South conferences.

The above is what I have heard so far, I don't know any further details apart from this concept has been mentioned by more than one individual at the RFL. I presume clubs would have to vote for such a movement anyway. The point I'm making is it seems the RFL are keen to continue pushing on developing the game in some form by restructuring our league systems. We can't afford to take it for granted that everything outside Super League will remain as is post 2011.

If, and I don't know how big of an if it is, this all came into effect, where does it leave us? Well starting next season on -9 and with a depleted squad doesn't fill me confidence that we will bounce straight back up again. If we don't, under this concept, there is a real chance that we may not make the cut of the 14 'Championship' sides and would therefore be doomed to Conference North playing the likes of Warrington Wizards.

I hope all of the above isn't true. If we were a top flying Championship club, then the whole concept sounds great. Almost professionalising a second league entirely in a bid to bridge the gap between the Championship and Super League and reintroduce promotion and relegation is a good concept. However we no longer have the status of being amongst the Championship elite so it could potentially have a damaging impact on us as a club.

If this is going to be the way the RFL want to move forward, then I can't see any other way for RL (at a high level) to be safeguarded in the long term in West Cumbria area aside from either a new team or a merger. I know many will shout 'NO' and simply dismiss such an idea, but the recent Cumbria game and this potential concept idea has certainly got me thinking.

Like I said, don't quote me on the above as been gospel truth. I never usually post things I've heard from someone, but this is something which I felt needed to be aired as it could impact not just our club, but the whole of West Cumbrian rugby league.


Offline LeeF

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Reply #1 on: 09 Oct 2010, 02:58:30 pm
This rumour has been doing the rounds for a number of months with no denials so ptobably must have some truth in it

My understanding is that the 14 Championship sides will be franchised or licensed from 2012 with minimum criteria.

On this basis 6 or 7 clubs will "miss out" so if the Club is to survive after 2012 it needs to be in the top 14 in one way or the other


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Reply #2 on: 09 Oct 2010, 03:08:19 pm
John, this has been talked about for quite some time now and it has been growing in strength all the time.

If it comes about then we could find both our clubs playing in a glorified Conference League as the cut off point would be the top 3 in the Championship1 league and neither of us are guaranteed to be in there.   There has also been talk of another French team coming in to the Championship which again would take one of those 14 places.

Meanwhile we carry on with the almost annual roundabout of players moving around our two clubs whilst one has its spell of ascendency and the other struggles along.   I have seen this coming for a while and that is why I am such a vociferous supporter of a new club as we have to protect semi-pro RL in this part of the country.   We can call each other names and throw stones (metaphorically) at each other for ever more but in the mean time we are getting left further and further behind and the sooner we wake up to it the better.

When it comes to a vote at the RFL don't forget that each SL team counts double the other clubs and all the Championship clubs would vote for it so it would be a no contest if that is what they want to bring in.   It needs to be discussed sensibly between our two clubs without any of the past history dragging talks down to personal levels to find a way round what could be a very damaging situation.
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Reply #3 on: 09 Oct 2010, 04:19:43 pm
Seems like a good idea  to me -think if it came down to franchise we would be in a pretty strong position at Haven.

No debts
Reserve team
Recent Youth developemt track record - which makes us unique in Cumbria
Good sponsorship backing
Potential new stadium - which might be a bit closer to happening than some people would like to think.


Next season might be tough starting on - 9 but our team isnt finalised yet and we may just spring a surprsise signing or two.  As things stand Town have the same team as last year minus Stack (probably) but adding jackson and Mattison dont think that makes them that much better than last year - when to be frank they were fairly average.

Our younger palyers last year at keighly and Batley showed a hell of a lot of promise and if we get one or two breaks with signings we could be in the mix. 

Overall i dont think those proposals if they happen hold any fears for Whitehaven


 


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Reply #4 on: 09 Oct 2010, 06:07:27 pm
Lets just hope that they don't apply the same rules concerning finances as they did for SL franchising, i.e. no administration in the past 3 years, or we'd be screwed.


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Reply #5 on: 09 Oct 2010, 08:05:41 pm
Lets just hope that they don't apply the same rules concerning finances as they did for SL franchising, i.e. no administration in the past 3 years, or we'd be screwed.

And so would a lot of the Championship & Championship 1 Teams


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Reply #6 on: 10 Oct 2010, 10:09:54 am
Make no mistake, I would love to see my hometown represented at a high level in rugby league (or any sport for that matter).

15 or so years ago the RFl (Msurice Lindsay) tried to force a new structure on their clubs which forced teams to merge with their greatest rivals in order to produce less but stronger clubs in order to compete in a new, more professional world of sport. As usually happens when people are forced to do things against their will most of the clubs (well, the supporters) fought against this and the idea was dead in the water. However the Rfl simply started a slower more gradual process towards this same end and this is more of the same.

What this means is that instead of being forced to merge we are squeezed out to such a point that we HAVE to merge if we want to still have Pro/semi Pro RL in areas such as this. Unfortunately I now think we have reached this point and the time to have one club is NOW!


I actually think we could do 99% of this easily as we have the support, the players, potential sponsorship (as companies would be seen to be supporting a much wider section of the community) but where do we play? This is the big question which we need to work out an answer for if we are to go forward.  Now, before someone says we build a 85,000 capacity stadium at lillyhall - how would we fund this? So ideas please.


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Reply #7 on: 10 Oct 2010, 10:21:11 am
Not sure an 85,000 capcaity stadium is required! (you might want to emend your poast there Random).

But the obvious option would be to alternate home games between The Recre and Derwent Park and if we were to be getting gates of 3-5,000 this would provide the resources, financial stability and the "investment opportunity" to get a new stadium built at Lillyhall asap.

P.S. I'm sure that if this is the plan then Dick Raaz, with all his recent communications with the RFL, would be aware that it is in the pipe-line. I am also pretty sure that the RFL would want a west Cumbria club in this new league, as it is about our 'level' at the moment, and it wouldn't be in there interest to kill professional Rugby League in this part of the world (though you have to wonder some times!)
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Reply #8 on: 10 Oct 2010, 10:23:01 am
Not sure an 85,000 capcaity stadium is required! (you might want to emend your poast there Random).


That was done tongue in cheek to make people think before posting pipe dreams without funding ideas. ;)


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Reply #9 on: 10 Oct 2010, 10:24:31 am
I think the new board and their plans are too intrinsically linked to the pow beck development to even contemplate a future away from the Recre.


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Reply #10 on: 10 Oct 2010, 08:50:45 pm
Seems like a good idea  to me -think if it came down to franchise we would be in a pretty strong position at Haven.

No debts
Reserve team
Recent Youth developemt track record - which makes us unique in Cumbria
Good sponsorship backing
Potential new stadium - which might be a bit closer to happening than some people would like to think.


Next season might be tough starting on - 9 but our team isnt finalised yet and we may just spring a surprsise signing or two.  As things stand Town have the same team as last year minus Stack (probably) but adding jackson and Mattison dont think that makes them that much better than last year - when to be frank they were fairly average.

Our younger palyers last year at keighly and Batley showed a hell of a lot of promise and if we get one or two breaks with signings we could be in the mix. 

Overall i dont think those proposals if they happen hold any fears for Whitehaven
boxer get a grip we are  in a good position are you from mars we have lost good players because of our boards . you seem to know it all are you on the board? We havent got a hope in hell we were beat by nl1 teams last year and i dont   know if you are bitter or  just mental but town were not a bad side last year and were just missing a little more invention which next year they will definitely have  so lets face it we have had it which ever way you look at it.

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Reply #11 on: 10 Oct 2010, 09:01:03 pm
Seems like a good idea  to me -think if it came down to franchise we would be in a pretty strong position at Haven.

No debts
Reserve team
Recent Youth developemt track record - which makes us unique in Cumbria
Good sponsorship backing
Potential new stadium - which might be a bit closer to happening than some people would like to think.


Next season might be tough starting on - 9 but our team isnt finalised yet and we may just spring a surprsise signing or two.  As things stand Town have the same team as last year minus Stack (probably) but adding jackson and Mattison dont think that makes them that much better than last year - when to be frank they were fairly average.

Our younger palyers last year at keighly and Batley showed a hell of a lot of promise and if we get one or two breaks with signings we could be in the mix. 

Overall i dont think those proposals if they happen hold any fears for Whitehaven
boxer get a grip we are  in a good position are you from mars we have lost good players because our board are a bunch of cheats and liars . you seem to know it all are you on the board? We havent got a hope in hell we were beat by nl1 teams last year and i dont   know if you are bitter or  just mental but town were not a bad side last year and were just missing a little more invention which next year they will definitely have  so lets face it we have had it which ever way you look at it.
lets wait until the squad is all sorted before deciding if we have a hope in hell, you never know we may suprise a few
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Reply #12 on: 10 Oct 2010, 09:09:13 pm
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Reply #13 on: 10 Oct 2010, 09:13:42 pm
Was that a threat from someone with a new identity using their first post?


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Reply #14 on: 11 Oct 2010, 11:45:32 am
RFL reveals proposed new national rugby league structure: